Curse

ender6 · Aug 24, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

Indeed. Bosses with spike dmg. Players who feel armor isn't a necessary attribute. PS certainly has its place in PvE.

Though I like Remove Hex considering the recent buff it has recieved, I still often op to bring Holy Veil over it. Nothing like pre-veiling, even in PvE -- takes a little more managment, but can be quite worth it.

Legendary Shiz · Aug 25, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Mokone

^no things wouldn't die either way. clearly i'm not since my stuff doesn't die.

the only place where i'd allow you to run gift is in gvg or ha but running zb is dumb there so yay.

gift was there so the prot bars that don't have a DIRECT healing elite (sod, sor, rc) could have a really good heal with little spec, while zb doesn't need this AT ALL.

the way you are arguing we could just take another elite instead of ZB, prot better and clean the trash with Goh. (which you did say in your last sentence, but still; goh doesn't belong on a ZB bar if you aren't terrible, case closed)

now, if PvE was keeping bars at 100% all time, you are right, but it's not, so your argument is absolutely invalid.

gg.

Sorry mate, gotta disagree with you. I use gift on my ZB bar all the time, it's a lot because I transfered my PvP builds right over to PvE since I was just used to using the builds and gift is still a very viable skill in a ZB PvE bar.

If you use ZB in the instances where you could be using gift, that is over healing. I, like everybody, typically try to only use ZB when it's needed and when I'll reap the benefits from it. When bars aren't that low, or I just don't have 10e and I need a quick heal (aka no time for GoLE) gift does this perfect.

This is me speaking from doing 99% of my PvE monking with heroes, or doing FoW stuff where I was the only/main monk (the other would be a bonder).

If you're going pure prot, 100% prot prot prot and there was a good heal monk in the party with you, I could see your argument.

moko · Aug 25, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

i don't see how you can consider a bar with ZB as elite pure prot.

yeah, of course it's over healing, but i wasn't suggesting to use ZB -- i'm just suggesting not to heal up at all, because afterall, if things don't die, you're doing your job. if things are dropping low enough, you can ZB them up.

if i'm going 100% prot prot prot with zb and there's a healing monk i would be a very dumb person allowing the other monk to screw up my 50%s.

the only time i know i'd want gift is when i know there's TONS of aoe around and i'm 1000000000000% sure that ZB alone won't outheal this for all...but in that case i would just go lod, so heh.

but whatever works for you guys i guess. D:

6am3 Fana71c · Aug 25, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Why is no one using [card]Life Sheath[/card]? 150 prevented damage doesn't sound so bad...

Stormlord Alex · Aug 25, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

Because it's marginally better than RoF, and a waste of an elite.

ca_aok · Aug 25, 2007, 12:09 PM // 12:09

You don't need Gift with ZB... You can heal with ZB, Dismiss, and RoF, and if you need to outheal more than that you need a more competent second monk, or you need to be running a better build.

Burst Cancel · Aug 27, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

What you bring is going to depend on what your second monk is. That said, ZB/Gift tends not to make sense in most situations. If your second monk is heavy prot, a ZB/Gift usually isn't enough healing strength. If your second monk is heavy heal, ZB is a waste of time. If your second monk is a hybrid, there's going to be a lot of overhealing and prot overlap unless you're very well coordinated (i.e., not hero/hench/PuG).

ZB/Gift is fairly strong for PvE solo monking (e.g., 4/6-man HM), but it's not so hot in dual-monking situations.

Age · Aug 27, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

Maybe it is best to use SoR or SoD I don't find Life Sheath to be that bad for PvE.